Talk:Women and Trans Programs - Revision history

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	Even if every single moment in a bike collective was filled with people striving toward a safer space as best they could, there would still be a need for WTF night because the people who show up couldn't be expected to know that. Until I understood that, I spent a long time feeling uncomfortable about the concept of WTF nights because I believed (and continue to believe, actually) that it puts the burden of the work of thinking about issues surrounding equality largely on the hosts of the WTF nights, and then the rest of the collective often only thinks about safer spaces at their convenience, when I'd rather see every single member of a collective taking that burden on together and making every moment as much of a safer space as WTF nights. --[[User:Angel\|Angel York]] ([[User talk:Angel\|talk]]) 11:59, 16 February 2016 (PST)		Even if every single moment in a bike collective was filled with people striving toward a safer space as best they could, there would still be a need for WTF night because the people who show up couldn't be expected to know that. Until I understood that, I spent a long time feeling uncomfortable about the concept of WTF nights because I believed (and continue to believe, actually) that it puts the burden of the work of thinking about issues surrounding equality largely on the hosts of the WTF nights, and then the rest of the collective often only thinks about safer spaces at their convenience, when I'd rather see every single member of a collective taking that burden on together and making every moment as much of a safer space as WTF nights. --[[User:Angel\|Angel York]] ([[User talk:Angel\|talk]]) 11:59, 16 February 2016 (PST)

			::Angel, I hope you don't mind me parting out this cool diatribe into more wiki-friendly parts around the two pages that they address. I'm super happy to keep this conversation rolling, for sure! Thanks for taking part! --[[User:Eugene\|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene\|talk]]) 21:39, 24 February 2016 (PST)

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			===Comments===
			I sent an [http://lists.bikecollectives.org/htdig.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org/2016-February/056088.html email on the Think Tank recently] that only barely made a mention of safer space programs, but a lot of what I talked about was based on years of thinking about how to make bike collectives more accessible to a wider variety of people, and probably a fair bit of wheel reinvention. To summarize, a tautology: '''the more you do to make a space accessible to more people, the less it will be exclusively the default demographic that shows up and sticks around. '''

			Off the top of my head, and I'm happy to expand on any of these bullet points:

			* access to basic food
			* if music, multicultural music
			* pedagogically-oriented learning environment
			* value all work, including admin work
			* safer space training for core volunteers
			* upholding clear shop guidelines and boundaries for appropriate behavior
			* providing an option for clearly defined volunteer tasks
			* informative, accessible website
			* have contact info for a mediator available
			* physical shop safety
			* being predictably and punctually open
			* having a functioning, physical land line telephone in the shop


			Even if every single moment in a bike collective was filled with people striving toward a safer space as best they could, there would still be a need for WTF night because the people who show up couldn't be expected to know that. Until I understood that, I spent a long time feeling uncomfortable about the concept of WTF nights because I believed (and continue to believe, actually) that it puts the burden of the work of thinking about issues surrounding equality largely on the hosts of the WTF nights, and then the rest of the collective often only thinks about safer spaces at their convenience, when I'd rather see every single member of a collective taking that burden on together and making every moment as much of a safer space as WTF nights. --[[User:Angel\|Angel York]] ([[User talk:Angel\|talk]]) 11:59, 16 February 2016 (PST)


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	Thanks so much for helping out with this important worx. --[[User:Eugene\|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene\|talk]]) 06:22, 14 February 2016 (PST)		Thanks so much for helping out with this important worx. --[[User:Eugene\|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene\|talk]]) 06:22, 14 February 2016 (PST)
			==from the Women Bike PHL fb group==
			http://neighborhoodbikeworks.org/programs/adult-repair-co-op/

			===east coast===
			https://femmechanics.wordpress.com/about/
			http://times-up.org/bike-co-op

			===midwest===
			http://www.westtownbikes.org/node/102
			http://greaserag.org/

			===west coast===
			http://bikekitchen.org/programs-membership/
			http://bicas.org/women-trans-femme/

			===deep south===
			http://austinyellowbike.org/schedule/schedule-legend/
			http://ragandbonesrva.org/about/our-history/

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Created page with "==needed Feb 2016== *some kind of better "why this is important" section *cities corresponding to the list populated from the wiki itself *descriptions under some of the prog..."

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==needed Feb 2016==

*some kind of better "why this is important" section
*cities corresponding to the list populated from the wiki itself
*descriptions under some of the programmes
*confirmed sightings of WTF nights out there in the wilde
**as in perhaps not just the ones listed on the wiki

Thanks so much for helping out with this important worx. --[[User:Eugene|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene|talk]]) 06:22, 14 February 2016 (PST)

Talk:Women and Trans Programs - Revision history

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