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This talk page outline initially came directly from [[User:Eugene|Eugene]]'s talk page with only a few minor changes.

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====Welcome to ''Bike Collectives Wiki''!====
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====Eugene 2016====
Howdy! Are you a human or a bot? My first encounter with you was on my Talk page (linked in my signature) You seem to be doing a whole lot of work on the wiki and I just wanted to say thanks, either way. If you're a bot, I'd love to make you a User Page. If you're a human, I might do the same. Pleased to make your internet acquaintance. --[[User:Eugene|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene|talk]]) 07:04, 14 February 2016 (PST)
:Wow, I'm honored! I hope I do the title proud!--[[User:Eugene|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene|talk]]) 10:53, 15 February 2016 (PST)
::I have a concern about some busted code in the database. I get this message when I try to add certain templates. Who actually owns the server space? See below error message. --[[User:Eugene|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene|talk]]) 11:31, 15 February 2016 (PST)
 <nowiki>Notice: Uncommitted DB writes (transaction from DatabaseBase::query (LinkBatch::doQuery (for Skin::preloadExistence))). in /home/richiepp/bikecollectives.org/wiki/includes/db/Database.php on line 4266</nowiki>

:::: Do not worry about that error message.  Wikimedia was updated on October 16 to 1.24 by an unknown user, most likely, an automated action at Dreamhost.   The Skin autodiscovery mechanism is no long used to load default skins, and it produces this error.  At the time, I had to go into the database to fix blockbuster issues that prevented users from logging into the website.  This required adding new columns that did not exist in the database after the update.  The database is very large, so there must have been a failure during the update.  Updates should never be performed before the database has been backed-up, however, this was not the procedure used.  Anyways, everything appears to be working properly.  I would consider moving the wiki to one of my servers if the hosting costs would be covered.  --[[User:PositiveSpin|PositiveSpin]] ([[User talk:PositiveSpin|talk]]) 23:14, 15 February 2016 (PST)

::::: Thanks for answering that question, PositiveSpin!  I think someone made an agreement with the Alliance for Biking and Walking at some point that they'd pay for our hosting, but in January I went and visited the site and noticed it was down, and it turns out it was because they hadn't paid the bill, so Godwin just paid it.  Godwin and Momoko cleared out thousands of spambot users a couple years ago and revamped the website entirely.  If you want details of recent bikecollectives & bikebike web development history, do a search for godwin in the think tank archives.  He's not the only person who does the tech stuff, but it's a good search term.  He's redoing the website part in Ruby right now and it's going to be up in a couple weeks, actually.    --[[User:Angel|Angel York]] ([[User talk:Angel|talk]]) 23:49, 15 February 2016 (PST)

'''I'll be on your coast!''' This March, as in in a few weeks. --[[User:Eugene|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene|talk]]) 21:45, 24 February 2016 (PST)
: Where, where?  --[[User:Angel|Angel York]] ([[User talk:Angel|talk]]) 22:08, 24 February 2016 (PST)
::car road tripping from SF to LA. --[[User:Eugene|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene|talk]]) 22:34, 24 February 2016 (PST)
::: awww, tell California I say hi!  I'd bet you already know about it, but just in case you didn't, of all the amazing collectives in CA that I know about, I think you would be interested in is [http://www.cyclesofchange.org/programs/the-bikery/ the bikery] if you had to pick just one.  --[[User:Angel|Angel York]] ([[User talk:Angel|talk]]) 22:44, 24 February 2016 (PST)
:::: I'll be mostly seeing sweeties and taking a long car ride with one of my besties. Seeing sights. That kind of thing.--[[User:Eugene|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene|talk]]) 08:14, 5 March 2016 (PST)
:::: Oh, and you can just send my *VERY COOL* prize to my work, at 3943 Lancaster Ave Philadelphia PA 19104! --[[User:Eugene|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene|talk]]) 08:14, 5 March 2016 (PST)
====Eugene 2017====
My work snail-mail address has not changed since this time last year. <3 --[[User:Eugene|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene|talk]]) 12:27, 6 March 2017 (PST)
:Excellent, thanks!  Chocolate en route shortly!  <3 --[[User:Angel|Angel York]] ([[User talk:Angel|talk]])19:36, 7 March 2017‎
::omg thanks to you as well!

====bots====

giving a user access to "bot" lets them run prescribed automated scripts. It would be up to Godwin to do some work in the sql backend (external to the wiki interface). --[[User:Eugene|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene|talk]]) 16:03, 15 February 2016 (PST)
:now that we are bots nobody can see our edits. Should we not be bots and instead make a bot?--[[User:Eugene|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene|talk]]) 06:42, 21 February 2016 (PST)

====Egalitarianism====
I think we need both approaches, and I think both approaches are answers to the same questions. ''"How do we keep our comrades safest?"'' I think that at times it's best to gather our power and have secret cabals and to come up with secret language. I think that you are also doing very important work, both of recon and also of spreading the good word of "be a goddamn decent human being". I honestly don't believe that one can exist without the other. I think that keeping our most vulnerable away from the things that make them hurt is important work. I also think educating the ones doing the harm is important work as well. I'll tell you about this cool kid at our community open shop the next time I get access to the internet. --[[User:Eugene|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene|talk]]) 21:06, 20 February 2016 (PST)
:my usual answer to "what work?" is "literally all the work. we need it all."--[[User:Eugene|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugene|talk]]) 21:10, 20 February 2016 (PST)

====Wiki Wishlist====
This section is mostly reminders to myself for when I'm older 
* a way to look at the users list that excludes blocked users
* that those error messages would go away
* no orphan pages
* that weird thing where the categories page won't actually show *quite* everything in its category for some unknown reason
* a way for users to be a category that is easily accessed from every profile page
* <s>ability to search the wiki without being logged in</s>
* bilingual content; multilingual interface like wikipedia
* find an addon that interfaces with firefox
* separate out departed orgs into a separate page from [[Community_Bicycle_Organizations]].
* update the wiki to a modern version and add the extension so people can update their username

==== Re winning editing award====

Not sure if this is a talk page or just a how to use a talk page. thats how non tech I am. I am going to ask a friend to help me as I can't seem to create a page with the right category links as I just edited parrot fashion from previous posts' and don't even get what a nested conversation is
Anyway Angel thanks for the award even though this is 3 months later. Please give the chocolate bar to someone you see at your community bike shop who looks like they need it. Sending one to Australia seems somehow wrong.
If this is the right page please reply and I will ask you further questions -- [[User:Recumbent Rider|Recumbent Rider]] ([[User talk:Recumbent Rider|talk]]) 05:28, 11 June 2016 (PDT)
:I'll do that, Recumbent Rider!  Here's the chocolate bar someone will be getting in your name: [https://www.theochocolate.com/product/19]
:This is a talk page, I just talk a lot.  When I was sitting here trying to think of who would need a chocolate bar, I realized that would be someone in some sort of "needs sugar" shock.  Which reminds me, did you know? I like to keep chocolate in emergency kits.  It comes in handy!  
:Anyway, this is the right page, feel free to ask me further questions!  --[[User:Angel|Angel York]] ([[User talk:Angel|talk]]) 07:33, 11 June 2016 (PDT)

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